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De Senectute 12

Archytas on bodily pleasure

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Sen. 12.1Sequitur tertia vituperātiō senectūtis, quod eam carēre dīcunt voluptātibus.There follows the third charge against old age, that it lacks pleasures, as they say. Sen. 12.1Ō praeclārum mūnus aetātis, sī quidem id aufert ā nōbīs, quod est in adulēscentiā vitiōsissimum!O splendid gift of age, if indeed it takes from us what is most vicious in youth! Sen. 12.1Accipite enim, optimī adulēscentēs, veterem ōrātiōnem Archȳtae Tarentīnī, magnī in prīmīs et praeclārī virī, quae mihi trādita est cum essem adulēscēns Tarentī cum Q. Maximō.For hear, excellent young men, an old speech of Archytas of Tarentum, a great and illustrious man above all others, which was handed down to me when I was a young man at Tarentum with Quintus Maximus. Sen. 12.1Nūllam capitāliōrem pestem quam voluptātem corporis hominibus dīcēbat ā nātūrā datam, cuius voluptātis avidae libīdinēs temerē et effrēnātē ad potiendum incitārentur.He used to say that no more deadly plague had been given to men by nature than bodily pleasure, in eager pursuit of which the passions were driven rashly and unbridled to possess it. Sen. 12.40Hinc patriae prōditiōnēs, hinc rērum pūblicārum ēversiōnēs, hinc cum hostibus clandestīna colloquia nāscī;From this, he said, sprang betrayals of one's country, from this the overthrow of states, from this secret conferences with the enemy; Sen. 12.40nūllum dēnique scelus, nūllum malum facinus esse, ad quod suscipiendum nōn libīdō voluptātis impelleret;there was, in short, no crime, no evil deed, which the lust for pleasure did not drive men to undertake; Sen. 12.40stupra vērō et adulteria et omne tāle flāgitium nūllīs excitārī aliīs illecebrīs nisi voluptātis;debaucheries and adulteries and every such outrage were roused by no other enticements than those of pleasure; Sen. 12.40cumque hominī sīve nātūra sīve quis deus nihil mente praestābilius dedisset, huic dīvīnō mūnerī ac dōnō nihil tam esse inimīcum quam voluptātem.and since nature, or some god, had given man nothing more excellent than his mind, nothing was so hostile to this divine gift and present as pleasure.

Sen. 12.41Nec enim lubīdine dominante temperantiae locum esse, neque omnīnō in voluptātis regnō virtūtem posse cōnsistere.For when lust holds sway there is no room for self-control, nor can virtue have any footing at all in the realm of pleasure. Sen. 12.41Quod quō magis intellegī posset, fingere animō iubēbat tantā incitātum aliquem voluptāte corporis, quanta percipī posset maxima;So that this might be better understood, he used to bid his hearers imagine someone excited by as great a bodily pleasure as could possibly be felt; Sen. 12.41nēminī cēnsēbat fore dubium quīn tam diū, dum ita gaudēret, nihil agitāre mente, nihil ratiōne, nihil cōgitātiōne cōnsequī posset.he thought it would be doubtful to no one that, for as long as he was enjoying himself in this way, he could achieve nothing by mind, nothing by reason, nothing by thought. Sen. 12.41Quōcircā nihil esse tam dētestābile tamque pestiferum quam voluptātem, sī quidem ea, cum maior esset atque longior, omne animī lūmen exstingueret.Therefore nothing was so detestable and so pernicious as pleasure, since, when it was rather great and lasting, it put out all the light of the mind.

Sen. 12.41Haec cum C. Pontiō Samnīte, patre eius, ā quō Caudīnō proeliō Sp. Postumius T. Veturius cōnsulēs superātī sunt, locūtum Archȳtam Nearchus Tarentīnus hospes noster, quī in amīcitiā populī Rōmānī permānserat, sē ā maiōribus nātū accēpisse dīcēbat, cum quidem eī sermōnī interfuisset Platō Athēniēnsis, quem Tarentum vēnisse L. Camillō Ap. Claudiō cōnsulibus reperiō.Nearchus of Tarentum, my host, who had remained steadfast in friendship with the Roman people, used to say that he had heard from his elders that Archytas spoke these words with Gaius Pontius the Samnite, father of the man by whom the consuls Spurius Postumius and Titus Veturius were defeated in the battle of Caudium, and that Plato the Athenian had indeed been present at that conversation, who, I find, came to Tarentum in the consulship of Lucius Camillus and Appius Claudius. Sen. 12.42Quōrsus hoc?What is the point of this? Sen. 12.42Ut intellegerētis, sī voluptātem aspernārī ratiōne et sapientiā nōn possēmus, magnam esse habendam senectūtī grātiam, quae efficeret ut id nōn libēret quod nōn oportēret.That you might understand that, if we could not spurn pleasure by reason and wisdom, great thanks would be owed to old age, which brought it about that we did not wish for what we ought not.

Sen. 12.42Impedit enim cōnsilium voluptās, ratiōnī inimīca est, mentis ut ita dīcam praestringit oculōs, nec habet ūllum cum virtūte commercium.For pleasure hinders deliberation, is hostile to reason, blindfolds, so to speak, the eyes of the mind, and has no dealings with virtue. Sen. 12.42Invītus fēcī ut fortissimī virī T. Flāminīnī frātrem L. Flāminīnum ē senātū ēicerem septem annīs post quam cōnsul fuisset, sed notandam putāvī libīdinem.It was against my will that I expelled from the senate Lucius Flamininus, the brother of that bravest of men Titus Flamininus, seven years after he had been consul, but I thought that lust ought to be branded. Sen. 12.42Ille enim cum esset cōnsul in Galliā exōrātus in convīviō ā scortō est ut secūrī ferīret aliquem eōrum quī in vinculīs essent, damnātī reī capitālis.For when he was consul in Gaul, he was prevailed upon at a banquet by a harlot to behead with the axe one of those who were in chains, condemned on a capital charge. Sen. 12.42Hic Titō frātre suō cēnsōre, quī proximus ante mē fuerat, ēlāpsus est, mihi vērō et Flaccō neutiquam probārī potuit tam flāgitiōsa et tam perdita libīdō, quae cum probrō prīvātō coniungeret imperī dēdecus.He escaped while his brother Titus was censor, who had been my immediate predecessor, but neither Flaccus nor I could in any way approve so shameful and so abandoned a lust, which joined to private disgrace the dishonour of his command.

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Latin vocabulary for this passage (200 words)
sequor, sequī, secūtusfollow
tertius, -a, -umthird
vituperātiō, -ōnis f.blame, censure, reproach
senectūs, -tūtis f.old age
quod, conj.that, in that, because
is, ea, id, dem. pron.this, that; he, she, it, they
careō, -ēre, -uībe without, lack (+ abl.)
dīcō, dīcere, dīxī, dictussay, speak; diem dīcere, to appoint or set a day
voluptās, -tātis, f.pleasure
ō (interj.)O! oh!
praeclārus, -clāra, -clārumvery bright; splendid, remarkable, famous
mūnus, mūneris, n.service, office, duty; present, gift
aetās, -tātis, f.age
sī, conj.if
quidem, adv.in fact, indeed, certainly; nē ... quidem, not ... even
auferō, auferre, abstulī, ablātusbear away, carry off
ā, ab (prep. + abl.)away from, from; by (ā only before consonants)
nōsplur. of ego
quī, quae, quod, rel. pron.who, which
sum, esse, fuī, futūrusbe
in, prep. with acc. and abl.with acc.: into, onto, against; with abl.: in, on
adulēscentia, -ae, f.youth
vitiōsus, -a, -umfaulty, defective, corrupt; vicious
accipiō, -cipere, -cēpī, -ceptustake to oneself, receive, accept; hear; suffer
enim, conj.for
bonus, -a, -umgood
adulēscēns, -entis, m.youth, young man
vetus, veterisold, former
ōrātiō, -ōnis, f.speech; ōrātiōnem habēre, to deliver an oration, speak
Tarentīnus, -a, -umof Tarentum (modern Taranto) in southern Italy
magnus, -a, -umlarge, big, great, mighty; loud
prīmus, -a, -umfirst, foremost
et, conj.and; et ... et, both ... and
vir, virī, m.man
ego, meī, pers. pron.I
trādō, -dere, -didī, -ditusgive across, over, or up, deliver; hand down, relate, report
cum, conj.when, while, after; since; although
cum, prep, with abl.with
quīntus, -a, -umfifth
nūllus, -a, -umnot any, none, no
capitālis, -edeadly; involving death
pestis, -is f.plague, pest; ruin, destruction
quam, adv.how? as; than; with superl., as ... as possible
corpus, corporis, n.body
homō, hominis, m.man
nātūra, -ae, f.nature, character
dō, dare, dedī, datusgive
avidus, -a, -umeager, greedy (for: gen.)
libīdō, -inis f.desire, lust; caprice
temerē, adv.rashly
effrēnātē (adv.)without restraint, unbridledly
ad, prep. with acc.to, toward; at, near; for
potior, -īrī, -ītusbecome master of, get possession of
incitō, -āre, -āvī, -ātumstir up, provoke
hinc, adv.from this place, hence
patria, -ae, f.fatherland, country
prōditiō, -ōnis f.treachery, betrayal
rēs, reī, f.thing, matter, affair, circumstance, situation; rē vērā, in truth, in fact, really
pūblicus, -a, -umpublic, of the state (rēs pūblica: the state)
ēversiō, -ōnis f.overthrow, destruction, demolition
hostis, -is, m. and f.enemy, foe
clandestīnus, -a, -umsecret, hidden
colloquium (conloquium), -ī n.conference, talk
nāscor, -ī, nātus sumbe born; rise, begin
dēnique, adv.lastly, finally
scelus, sceleris, n.wickedness, crime
malus, -a, -umbad
facinus, facinoris, n.deed, crime
suscipiō, -cipere, -cēpī, -ceptusundertake
nōn, adv.not
impellō, -pellere, -pulī, -pulsusdrive or urge on, incite, urge
stuprum, -ī n.debauchery, sexual crime
vērō, adv.in truth, indeed; however
adulterium, -ī n.adultery
omnis, -eall, every
tālis, -esuch
flāgitium, -ī n.shameful act, disgrace, outrage
excitō, -citāre, -citāvī, -citātuscall out, arouse
alius, -a, -udanother, other; aliī ... aliī, some ... others
inlecebra, -ae f.enticement, lure, charm
nisi, conj.if not, unless
que, enclitic conj.and
sīve or seu, conj.or if; sīve ... sīve, whether ... or
quis, qua, quid, indef. pron.any one, anybody, anything, some one, somebody, something
deus, -ī, m.god
nihil, n., indecl.nothing
mēns, mentis f.mind, spirit
praestābilis, -eoutstanding, excellent; preferable
hic, haec, hoc, dem. pron.this; ille ... hīc, that ... this, the former ... the latter
dīvīnus, -a, -umdivine, of the gods
atque, ac (conj.)and; after comparisons: as, than (ac only before consonants)
dōnum, -ī, n.gift
tam, adv.so
inimīcus, -a, -umunfriendly, hostile
neque or nec, conj.and not, nor; neque ... neque, neither ... nor; neque enim, for ... not
dominor, -ārī, -ātus sumbe master, rule
temperantia, -ae f.self-control
locus, -ī, m., plur. loca, -orum, n.place, situation
omnīnō, adv.altogether, wholly, entirely
regnum, -ī, n.royal power, rule, throne; kingdom, realm
virtūs, -tūtis, f.manliness, courage, bravery
possum, posse, potuībe able, have power, can
cōnsistō, -sistere, -stitī, -stitusstation oneself, take one's stand; consist
quō, adv.to what place? whither? to which place, whither; for which reason, wherefore, therefore; quō ūsque, till when? how long?
magis, comp. adv.more, rather
intellegō, -legere, -lēxī, -lēctusperceive, understand
fingō, fingere, finxī, fictusinvent, make up
animus, -ī, m.mind; heart; spirit, courage
iubeō, iubēre, iussī, iussusbid, order, command
tantus, -a, -umso great or much
aliquis, -quid, indef. pron.someone, any one, something, anything, some, any
quantus, -a, -umhow great or much?
percipiō, -cipere, -cēpī, -ceptusfeel
nēmō, nēminis, m. and f.no one, nobody
cēnseō, cēnsēre, cēnsuī, cēnsusthink, believe, consider
dubius, -a, -umdoubtful, uncertain
quīn, conj.so that ... not, but that, but
diū, adv.for a long time, a long time or while, long; comp
dum, conj.while, as; as long as; until
ita, adv.in this manner, thus, so; ita ut, as
gaudeō, gaudēre, gāvīsusbe glad, rejoice
agitō, -āre, -āvī, -ātusdrive about; discuss, debate
ratiō, -ōnis, f.plan, means, method, manner; reason; account
cōgitātiō, -ōnis f.thought, reflection; plan, intention
cōnsequor, -sequī, -secūtusfollow up, follow; overtake
quōcircā (adv.)for which reason, therefore
dētestābilis, -edetestable, abominable
pestifer, -era, -erumdeadly, ruinous
longus, -a, -umlong; tedious
lūmen, -minis, n.light
exstinguō, -ere, -stīnxī, -stīnctusput out, extinguish; destroy
pater, patris, m.father
Caudīnus, -a, -umof Caudium, a Samnite town; Caudine
proelium, -ī, n.battle, combat; proelium committere, to join battle
cōnsul, -ulis m.consul (one of Rome's two chief magistrates)
superō, -āre, -āvī, -ātusovercome, defeat, conquer
loquor, loquī, locūtusspeak
hospes, hospitis m.guest; host; guest-friend
noster, -tra, -trumour
amīcitia, -ae f.friendship, alliance
populus, -ī m.people, nation
Rōmānus, -a, -umRoman
permaneō, -manēre, -mānsi, -mānsusremain
suī, sibi, sē or sēsē, reflexive pron.himself, herself, itself, themselves
maiōrēs, -um m. pl.ancestors
nātū (abl. only)by birth (maiōrēs nātū: the elders)
sermō, -ōnis, m.conversation, talk, speech
intersum, -esse, -fuī, -futūrusbe or lie between
veniō, venīre, vēnī, ventuscome
reperiō, reperīre, repperī, repertusfind, discover
quōrsum (quōrsus) (adv.)to what end? where to?; quorsum haec?: what is the point of this?
ut, conj.as; when; that; ita ut, as
aspernor, -ārī, -ātus sumspurn, reject, scorn
sapientia, -ae f.wisdom, good sense
habeō, -ēre, -uī, -itushave, hold; consider
grātia, -ae, f.favor; gratitude, thanks; plur., thanks; grātiās agere, to give thanks, thank; grātiam referre, to return a favor, show gratitude, requite
efficiō, -ficere, -fēcī, -fectusmake or work out, accomplish, effect
libet, -ēre, libuit (impers.)it pleases; mihi libet: I like, I want
oportet, -ēre, oportuit (impersonal)it is right, it is necessary
impediō, -pedīre, -pedīvī, -pedītushinder, prevent, impede
cōnsilium, -ī, n.advice; plan, design, purpose; prudence
praestringō, -ere, -strīnxī, -strictusoutshine, eclipse; dazzle, blunt; bind tight
oculus, -ī, m.eye
ūllus, -a, -umany
commercium, -ī n.trade, dealings; means of communication
invītus, -a, -umunwilling
faciō, facere, fēcī, factusmake, do; iter facere, see iter
fortis, -ebrave
frāter, frātris, m.brother
ex, ē (prep. + abl.)out of, from; of (ē only before consonants)
senātus, -ūs m.senate
ēiciō, -ere, -iēcī, -iectusthrow out; sē ēicere: rush out
septemseven
annus, -ī, m.year
post, adv.after, later; prep. with acc., after, behind
sed, conj.but
notō, -āre, -āvī, -ātusmark, note; single out
putō, -āre, -āvī, -ātusthink
ille, illa, illud, dem. pron.that; he, she, it, they; ille ... hīc, see hīc
exōrō, -āre, -āvī, -ātuswin over by asking, beg for, obtain by entreaty
convīvium, -ī n.banquet, dinner party
scortum, -ī n.prostitute
secūris, -is f.axe (the axes in the fasces, sign of Roman power)
feriō, -īrestrike, hit
vinculum, -ī, n.bond, chain
damnō, -āre, -āvī, -ātumcondemn
suus, -a, -umhis, her, its, or their own; his, her, its, their
cēnsor, -ōris m.censor, the magistrate who kept the citizen and senate rolls and could expel unworthy senators
proximus, -a, -umnearest, next
ante, prep, with acc. and adv.before
ēlābor, -lābī, -lāpsus sumslip away, escape
neutiquam (adv.)by no means, not at all
probō, -āre, -āvī, -ātumprove, show; approve
flāgitiōsus, -a, -umshameful, disgraceful
perditus, -a, -umabandoned, desperate
probrum, -ī n.disgrace, shame; probrō habērī: be counted a disgrace
prīvātus, -a, -umprivate
coniungō, -iungere, -iūnxī, -iūnctusjoin together, join
imperium, -ī, n.command; sway, rule
dēdecus, -decoris, n.dishonor, disgrace
Cicero, De Senectute. Latin text: W. A. Falconer, Cicero: De Senectute, De Amicitia, De Divinatione (Loeb, 1923), public domain; digital text from the Perseus Digital Library, CC BY-SA. Word analysis: drafted by our own tagger (trained on the hand-checked texts on this site), with every doubtful word checked by hand. English translation and section titles: written for this app, each checked against the Latin by a second reader.